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February 27, 2009

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BlogChecker

You say 40% of Americans don't pay federal income taxes, and then provide a link that contradicts that statement. 40 million Americans don't. But that's less than 40% given that there are 300 million Americans. It's not even 40% of tax returns. You should appropriately represent the information in your own link.

That mis-statement is what brought me to the comment, but while I am here I will answer rhetorical question that follows: Would any rational person describe our tax code as "tilted in favor of the wealthiest"?

The answer is yes. Taxes come in many forms, not just income taxes. As a whole, taxes in the US are regressive. One has to take into account sales taxes, payroll taxes, vehicle taxes, energy taxes, property taxes, etc. Many of these have either codified or natural upper limits, which means that working class and middle class taxpayers spend a much higher percentage of their gross income on taxes.

I am sorry if that's irrational. But please don't misrepresent your numbers.

Also, in answer to your zeitgeist update, after eight years of Bush-Cheney, this is old news.

Lucille

Ah, thank you BlogChecker, for noticing the obvious. John Ennis loves to create "facts" and doesn't actually read the info on the links he provides. No surprise for those of us who know and "love" him.

I'd like to just take two of his statements and give my quick retorts:
"This year's deficit was an aberration due to the recession, the bank bailout, and the stimulus."
Really? The enormous Iraq War spending had nothing to do with this? Nor did the enormous tax cuts on the wealthy? (that were supposed to HELP the economy).

Tell us: what year of the Bush era didn't have a deficit? And how much did he put us into the red, keeping in mind that he started with a surplus?

"...Obama's blueprint ends in 2019..."

Yes, this is a 10 year forecast, which I'm sure confused you because George Bush never went beyond 5 years. . . yet, I don't remember one complaint from you on that front. Or on the fact that he NEVER included the cost of the Iraq War in his budgets. Maybe if he had (and looked beyond 5 years) . . . oh, but why wallow in the past?

I seem to recall George Bush and his minions blaming Bill Clinton for virtually everything that went wrong during his administration (even Katrina - I kid you not). Obama is doing what he promised to do, what the American people elected him to do.

I guess some people actually keep their promises.

John Ennis

Lucille,

Bush's deficits before this year ranged between $150-450 billion. For most of those years, we were fighting the Iraq War.

This year's deficit is $1.8 trillion. It is not because Iraq war spending has all of a sudden shot up. We spend about $150 billion a year in Iraq and Afganistan. They have nothing to do with the huge expansion in this year's deficit.

My complaint about Obama's 10 year projection is not that it's 10 years, but that deficits are not only included for all ten years - but they never come below $500 billion.

John Ennis

BlogChecker,

Return to the link and read again. This is what it says in the 2nd paragraph:

"During 2006, Tax Foundation economists estimate that roughly 43.4 million tax returns, representing 91 million individuals, will face a zero or negative tax liability. That's out of a total of 136 million federal tax returns that will be filed. Adding to this figure the 15 million households and individuals who file no tax return at all, roughly 121 million Americans—or 41 percent of the U.S. population—will be completely outside the federal income tax system in 2006."

How did I misrepresent that link? What exactly should I be correcting, BlogChecker? Thrill me with your wisdom and insight.

I have half a mind to take your comment down, since it is you who is clearly WRONG. If you want to dispute the numbers at the link, that's one thing. But, I DID NOT MISREPRESENT WHAT WAS SAID AT THE LINK.

BlogChecker

You are correct. I guess I assumed when I looked at the charts in the link, that the page wasn't counting children. If you count children, as the link does, then it does get to 40 percent. Thanks for the all caps, by the way, it clarified your irritation.

John Ennis

BlogChecker,

Thanks for your reply.
We all make mistakes. I'll go easier on the caps next time. Feel free to post in the future.

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